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'No Regrets,' Confessed
Killer Says In Jailhouse Interview
September 21, 2006
TACOMA, Wash. --
Ulysses Handy
says he was a Boy Scout and an altar boy, but he also admits he's a
killer with no regrets.
It was the triple murder
that stunned Tacoma last February.
Now, the man who admits
pulling the trigger tells only KIRO 7 Eyewitness News why he did it.
Ulysses Handy says he
went to the small house near the University of Puget Sound campus,
knowing he was there to kill his friends. When the moment came, he
murdered them in cold blood.
Ulysses Handy says, "(I)
came back, talked to D.C. (Darren Christian) a little more, kissed him
and then that was it."
KIRO 7's Kevin McCarty
asked, "Kissed him?" Handy: "Uh-huh." McCarty: "And then?" Handy: "That was it." McCarty: "Then you shot him?"
Handy nods.
It's hard to get a
direct answer from Ulysses Handy III. But in this jailhouse interview
with KIRO 7, the 24-year old Handy admits he shot and killed 28-year old
Darren Christian, 20-year old Daniel Varo and 21-year old Lindy Cochran
at Christian's Tacoma home.
Handy says he was angry
with Christian (known as D.C.) over what he calls a betrayal.
He says he murdered both
Cochran and Varo after shooting Christian, because they were now
witnesses.
Handy describes the
moment he shot the three victims, “Dan (Varo) turned around, looked at
me, looked at D.C., shot him in the neck, shot him in the head. Lin
(Lindy Cochran) got up, looked at me, shot her too.”
McCarty: "What were you
thinking at that moment?"
Handy: "Nothing. Nothing at all."
Handy's answers was
laced with profanities, and he rarely addressed issues directly.
He says he has no
regrets about committing murder.
McCarty: "Glad you did
it?"
Handy responds, "No. I didn't want to (expletive) be this way. But,
can't have everything we want."
McCarty: "What’s the last thing you’d say to people before you go away?"
Handy laughs and says, "The truth? I don't bite my tongue. Anybody got a
problem with what I do, anybody got a problem with what I say, they can
(expletive). If I’m going to hell, I'll see a lot of people there."
By Rob Wallace - ABC News
July 10, 2007
Are evil people born or made?
Ulysses Handy was 24 when he walked into a
friend's home in Tacoma, Wash., looking to steal money he knew
was there.
He shot Darren Christian and Daniel Varo at
point-blank range, and then turned his gun on a total stranger,
unarmed and defenseless 21-year-old Lindy Cochran. When
questioned about her reaction and asked whether she had begged
for her life, Handy said, "She didn't say a damn word. She was
shellshocked."
He explained that her terror didn't set him
back at all.
He continued, "I feel there are two kinds of
people in the world — us and them. Predator and prey. Well, I'm
damn sure not no prey."
No Remorse
Handy was arrested and pleaded guilty. At his
sentencing, he spoke to the victims' families. "I know there's
people here hurt. Yeah, well, pain is a part of life. Deal with
it. Get over it."
According to Handy, he felt no compassion for
the family members of his victims. "Man, there ain't nothing I
could say could take away their pain or make it a little easier
to deal with. They gone and they ain't coming back, " he said.
Cochran's great-uncle Richard Frost expressed
his feelings toward Handy in the courtroom at the sentencing. "The
part that can keep me going the rest of my life is the hope that
somebody on the inside will get their hands on him and choke the
life out of him while he's whimpering like the coward he is."
For Frost, knowing that Handy would spend his
life in prison was not enough — it did not offer him any
satisfaction.
By pleading guilty, Handy avoided death row.
He is almost a year into three consecutive life sentences, and
he has spent some of that time covering himself in jailhouse
tattoos — a pentagram, the word "sadistic" and the number 666 on
his chest, with devil horns above his eyes.
Becoming a Killer
"I wonder what is it that drives him to feel
that he needs to advertise that he's a sadist to everyone around
him," said forensic psychiatrist Michael Welner, the developer
of the Depravity Scale.
The defiance of the hardened persona could be
one of three things. "You're dealing with illness, brute
contempt for others or bravado," Welner said. "I would have
every reason to believe that he's terrified, because when you
take his gun away, how scary is he?"
Handy was not scary at all as a child. He was
raised by a loving and devout single mother in New Orleans.
"I went to Catholic schools all my life. And
I was an honor student, Boy Scouts, all that. The choir — I went
to catechism, first communion and after a while, that wasn't me.
It didn't give me pleasure," he said.
Handy explained that he felt lonely and
misunderstood as a child, feelings he says contributed to his
violent behavior as he grew up.
"Something just never felt quite right to me
— this internal pain — and I always felt that no one else feels
my pain. But I can give you a small taste of it … a small taste.
If I hurt you … that pain you feel … can't compare to mine. And
I am not alone anymore."
Payback After Death?
So, what happens to Handy when he dies? The
church he rejected believes that he is destined for hell, unless
he calls out to God for forgiveness. And if he does, Catholics
say he will do time in purgatory before he gets to heaven.
Monsignor Jim Lisante from the Roman Catholic
Church in New York said of purgatory, "It's a place of atonement,
and it means you are paying back in some way. I have to believe
that means that it's not a pleasant experience. You are forgiven
but you gotta pay."
Eastern religions also believe in a temporary
hell where Handy would "burn off" bad karma before reincarnation.
Jews don't give much definition to the
afterworld, but Muslims are quite specific. Someone like Handy
will drink molten copper in the pits of Jehennem.
But, for evangelical Christians, justice in
hell can be avoided altogether with one simple prayer.
The Rev. Tom Brown, an evangelical pastor
from the Word of Life Church, says that for a person who has "lived
a wicked life, but if he turns to God and says, 'Lord, I am
sorry,' and he truly repents, God will not remember his past
wickedness, but only his present righteousness."
For a grieving relative, this notion can be
hard to accept. Regarding the pain Handy's act has added to his
life, Frost said, "If there's a hell, he's going there. And you
hear people talking about demons on Earth, guardian angels — if
there are demons, he's one of them."
And if he were to have a jailhouse conversion?
Frost said, "It would matter somewhat. It would matter somewhat."
Handy's mother has said she wants, more than
anything else, for him to have a change of heart and apologize
to the families of the people he killed.
Handy's response was unapologetic. "Look, man,
like I said before, if I was gonna be sorry for what I was gonna
do, I wouldn't have did it in the first place."
He also has little concern for his soul. "If
I go to hell, then so be it. Then so be it."